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this clearly may be something near

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beyond the realm of man

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tested every last coaster and the more

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you think you know the less you will be

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all right people it's no secret that the

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cubical clad cog in the machine

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Rothschild rockefeller reality is not a

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path that comes highly recommended from

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me but there can be a sense of comfort

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to the Explorer that eventually it will

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be there when we're ready to retract

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back to that all-too-familiar

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conventional roadmap with the white

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picket fence but if you dig into the

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data you'll see that that road map

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offered to our parents generation is now

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a recipe for ruin as we enter a new

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economic reality that's as radically

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different as the Industrial Revolution

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these are troubled times folks dare I

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say chaotic and so what better guide

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than the captain of the Kaos Quidditch

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team conjured up from sunny West London

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the maestro behind the magical symphony

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that is rune soup calm and the author of

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not only the previously covered

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starships but now a success magic

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guidebook for the modern sorcerer the

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Kaos protocols magical techniques for

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navigating the new economic reality my

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friend and yours Gordon white my good

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man welcome back to the higher side

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thank you so much Greg I was very much

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looking forward to that introduction

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they're always amazing yeah well I mean

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you've been on so many times now I'm

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just running out of creative ways to say

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you're awesome well you could put me

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back in one of the songs you know just

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yeah yeah yeah I'm totally willing to do

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that yeah man I've been looking forward

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to this for a long time I definitely

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enjoyed starships and I had some very

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valuable takeaways that are really

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insightful for getting a more accurate

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bead on our magical history but the Kaos

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protocols is a success magic book for

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largely unsuccessful times and I think

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it's just what the people need I loved

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it and I think it's very pertinent for

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the listeners and to get us started you

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know for us to even know that we need a

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radically different game plan we have to

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realize the radically different shape of

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the economic game or plan help us to see

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the situation more clearly how do we

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flow situation what's really the

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difference this time well I guess to

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and analytics and we should have ever

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doing better whether the claims that are

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government and banking and general

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economic levels actually matches out of

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reality and actually even matches the

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numbers because the reality is they

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don't some of the biggest changes that

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never going to unwind so yes we're in a

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the giant demographic move which is the

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departure out of not only the workforce

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businesses that are trading in it and

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job spectrum now it's coming for an

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asset of sitting in that middle spot now

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workers that are being replaced by

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robots even as they asked for a rise in

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minimum wages which would be nice but

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much faster ha ha and there's really no

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there's no turning that off either

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because the economics for a business

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are in arguable in favor of robots

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robots don't get sick pair robots don't

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need health care contributions robots

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don't need to go to their kids plays so

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the previous generations of work hard in

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school oh that's the other one of course

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anything sort of ever in the West so

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we're we're getting further and further

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in debt for jobs that aren't there now

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seventy-five percent of Australians in

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tertiary education training for jobs

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that won't be around in five years time

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yeah we're kind of right there and and

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this whole sort of thing has been so

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there is a shall we say disconnect

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told and the lived reality and the

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narrative that we've previously been

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been fundamentally changed to the point

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solution isn't so radical given the

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alternative like the normal one 100

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percent doesn't work so where where is

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the sort of insanity in deciding that

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actually we need to fundamentally

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rethink how we how we create money and

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how we create meaning and and and what

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that looks like rather than trying to

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sort of lop a baby boomer life in 2016

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it's just obvious that radical change is

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the only answer and this mantra of what

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worked for the baby boomers won't work

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for Millennials is one of the main

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themes of the book that keeps coming

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baby boomers were the economic

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equivalent of a biblical locust forum

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and I like that but it really is a

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perfect analogy the more you get into it

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of the deeper truths that are in that

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things really aren't going back well in

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to it but not much the story of the

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American economy over the last 50 years

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has been the story of things baby

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boomers buy so from birth there was a

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diaper boom then you know they kind of

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got to move through free education into

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a workforce of 100% employment because

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the planet's GDP because Europe was in

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ruins well at Europe and America's enemy

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were in ruins so there were jobs for

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people who had you know degrees and

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about 20% of GDP so it all kind of

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hummed and worked together you had

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people that employed in stable jobs and

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growing businesses and so you could have

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a building boom that hadn't really been

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inflated yet so you can get a house for

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$11,000 that was a few miles from your

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could raise a couple of kids and keep a

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wife none of that known that exists and

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what happened was the story of kind of

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campaign promises is again the story of

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the things that baby boomers want so

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they move through free education then

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tax cut yeah yeah everywhere they go

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after them and then turn around and call

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the Millennials feckless for not having

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a job or getting out of their parents

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basement it is it's a betrayal there's

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no other way to describe it they move

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through this entire thing buying large

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cars and then having sort of tax

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incentives to buy additional houses

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lower end of the market which is where

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first-time buyers should be and all this

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happen kind of from the end of Bretton

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and interest rate shot to the moon and

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could cleave their capital gains tax off

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it so all these pieces have been have

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been built to essentially keep the baby

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and and we're now at the end of that

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process because they're dying and

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retiring and if we look around I mean as

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horrifying and terrifying at the same

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time I don't want you know a suburban

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house and a factory job and just to kind

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of do that for 30 years and get a gold

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watch mhm just seems I could profligate

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waste of a human life and there's that

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kind of change that I think at younger

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generations particularly Millennials so

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the the in-between generation when

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talking about Gen X has a different

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attitude to it as well as they kind of

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came of age and the sort of winter of

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discontent you know late 70s years so

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difference there the Millennials and

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sharing rather than a kind of Sex

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just the general kind of heterosexual

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male capitalist competition whoever dies

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with the most toys wins attitude of the

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boomer so we're actually in many

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respects it's good news if we eventually

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just look at the data and go well yeah

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everything that we're being promised is

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a lie but the good news is we don't

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actually want it if we stop and think

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about it yeah you're right we don't want

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it I mean I certainly didn't and instead

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I made some radical choices and took off

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for the west coast without a job but

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there are a lot of changes coming

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obviously we have this movement of the

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baby boomers into retirement age and

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automation coming right on the heels of

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that to fill the gap and really screw

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the Millennials and that automation

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piece of the puzzle is never going to go

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away it's only going to get more and

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more refined so that's tough but there's

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even more you mentioned in the book

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Catherine Austin Fitz refers to some of

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these changes as a once in a

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civilization event and people might

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recognize this and see huge amounts of

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wealth accumulating in places but how

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can we as individuals get a seat at the

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table how can we use any of this

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knowledge to our benefit

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don't be afraid to look at it is the

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first one like it is stuck as we were

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kind of discussing before we hit record

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there's some fairly good that get my

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assessment of housing as an investment

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in the US over the last sixty years

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isn't like an opinion the data are there

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to support it and and people react

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emotionally to this idea they they

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there's some kind of and it's largely

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thanks to a few decades of millions and

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millions in advertising associating

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mortgage debt with some sort of

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threshold of adulthood where you know a

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real adult until you're in a house even

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though you don't think as you are in a

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mortgage and even once you pay that off

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if you don't pay your property taxes you

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don't get to keep your house anyway so

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if you look at these pieces and just be

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unemotionally and go right there is no

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other the fake life will never work the

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the the life you see in TV advertising

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will never work so what else can we do

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and there are a number of things I mean

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from an economic basis they're the

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obvious ones are to get out of debt

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faster or stay out of debt and I know

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people think that's an easier said than

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done thing and it is but you can I have

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people who replied saying that's easier

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said than done I'm like well where do

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you live and I'm like well I live in

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this big house and it's just me and my

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kid and there's two of us in this

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four-bedroom house I'm like well

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ding-ding-ding sorry we need to look at

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what housing means over this is kind of

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where it not that it ties in with

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starships but there's suddenly starships

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about the realization that it was really

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an experiment a post-war experiment that

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one family could keep three houses

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solvent at once grandparents parents in

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you has never happened before never

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since we started building structures we

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lived in multi-generational houses we

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lived with friends you never used to be

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called flat sharing it was something

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like taking rooms and all this but it's

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because the economics just didn't didn't

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match no one so it is an investment and

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even today the most successful economy

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in Europe Germany is a majority rent in

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population so that's the first one you

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actually have to look and decide which

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things are in your head that you want

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from your life actually belong to you

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and which

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once belonged to the sort of TV

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advertising it you've picked up over the

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30 or so years you've been on earth yeah

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that's that's whai'm it costs nothing

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you can do that yourself doesn't really

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matter how much debt you have but if you

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are kind of coming up to a college age

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there are kind of options like if you've

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got rich parents and they're gonna pay

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for it go to work go to an Ivy League

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school there's no sort of net difference

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in earnings from an education at an Ivy

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League school but you get to network

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with various skull and bones type and

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get yourself a nice Washington job or so

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like that that they're there the power

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of expensive education is in the analog

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networks that you can be part of if not

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get the cheapest online degree that you

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can possibly find because again a couple

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of years out no one's gonna care that

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you went to Hollywood upstairs medical

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college or something else so there are

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ways that you can kind of radically

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carve the death out as for opportunities

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the once in a civilization event that

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Katherine Austin Fitz was referring to

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is the securitization of

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or the equities ation of the entire

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planet so if you look at if you look at

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stock markets around the world this is a

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number straight out of her salary report

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previous stock markets around the world

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in the last thirty years they firm gone

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from something like nine trillion to 22

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I think it's closer to 30 now and it's

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on its way to 70 so this is the the

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digital and mobile technology and

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infrastructure has allowed that

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opportunity to present itself mm-hmm

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that means businesses in China and

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Malawi and and wherever are going to be

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available for you as an investor to

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invest in via mobile device and and

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coming along with this I mean the

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FinTech is kind of a dirty word at the

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moment cuz to be fair most of it is kind

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of fraudulent and lying but there is

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there's a huge amount of growth in

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ethical and new ways of investing that

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present opportunities again you know

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like I can give names but everyone's

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situation is different and it's it's a

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landscape you need to be aware of rather

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than there's a specific company that's

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that's more of a gold rush rather than a

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a sort of change and that that also

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presents you with the largest base of

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consumers ever again it's another

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Catherine number but mobile handset a

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smartphone in particular ownership is

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over the two billion mark which means

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it's the biggest addressable consumer

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market in the history of mankind huh

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there's never been anything like it and

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if you can if you are if you're a

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podcaster for instance Greg you'll have

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access to into a potential market that

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no one in human history has ever had

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access to hmm so these are the

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opportunities that come along with the

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fundamental and profoundly

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transformative like economic

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technological and demographic changes

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that we're absurd midway through yeah

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man I am lucky to have stumbled my way

430
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into the positive aspects of a lot of

431
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this stuff but you talked about the fact

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that both in magical practice and in

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life we don't get it right because

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oftentimes we don't identify our targets

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correctly success magic is great of

436
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course but you know what is success

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really people say they want money so

438
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they can have the most freedom but what

439
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is most likely meant is optionality talk

440
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to us a little bit about that yeah this

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is someone in Aseem Talib's words but

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I'll kind of back it up he talks about

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it when he talks about what's known as

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the teleological fallacy the

445
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teleological fallacy is believing that

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you think you know the best way to get

447
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something done that's in the future and

448
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also that you believe that everyone else

449
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kind of knows that as well and if you

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look at anything any kind of project or

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experience in in any humans life that is

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just fundamentally not correct that

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there is something about how humans are

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built that makes us succumb to the

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teleological fantasy and everyone does

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it so you just have to be aware that

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that fallacies in play or not because

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and the best way to be aware and the

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best way to manage the impact of a

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teleological fanfare fallacy is with

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what he considers optionality now

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optionality is basically and I'll give

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you Talib's definition and then I'll

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kind of explain what that means you're

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kind of in an anti fragile state if you

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gain from disorder so if you gain from

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an unanticipated event

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other than negatively impact or no

469
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impact optionality is is an example of

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that so the best example is the I

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believe is called [\h__\h] you money mm-hmm

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so you don't actually necessarily need

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to spend that but you get fired that's a

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negative event but like not in this case

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because you didn't have the time to do

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the other thing that you want like I'm

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gonna write a book I'm gonna cut an

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album or what have you or I'll find

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another job so optionality is kind of

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rather than aiming for the end goal

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which is I want a house in the Hamptons

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or whatever it happens to be optionality

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is to kind of phase it step by step

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because of the teleological fantasy and

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and maintain maintain that ability to

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gain from what would otherwise been

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considered a negative impact and you do

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that a few times and you kind of start

489
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to build your your way of thinking so

490
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that you become you become phase with

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each kind of step towards whatever your

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particular goal is the sort of

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probabilities for the step after that

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change so if you're kind of putting your

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intention in whatever way either just

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non magically or magically towards the

497
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end goal you're not really maximizing

498
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the sort of probability enhancement

499
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opportunities on the way which means

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you're actually less like that you can

501
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just do the maths on it like if you

502
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remember doing statistics and if you go

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one into x 1 + 3 x 1 + 2 you get a 1 in

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a very very tiny fraction at the end of

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it right mm-hmm so if you do a 1 in 2

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and by a magic or just general

507
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intentionality you can get that to a

508
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55/45 odds or 60/40 guards then you

509
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winning and you get to the next one and

510
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that's another one into I by the way

511
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don't have to calculate these numbers

512
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beforehand that's some kind of lunacy

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but if you think about it that way then

514
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you're basically only dealing with

515
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moving a higher probability a bit higher

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rather than the sort of one in 164

517
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option of getting what you think you

518
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want which is going to be wrong anyway

519
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at the other side of it now magicians

520
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aren't very good at this because humans

521
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aren't very good at it but in magic

522
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space in particular Western magic draws

523
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so much from the sort of greco-roman

524
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shape of how magic works and how house

525
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are constructed and so on and the Greeks

526
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were amazing at trigonometry and

527
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geometry and they were [\h__\h] at basic

528
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maths so the Greeks never invented and

529
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there's been ocean of probability we

530
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really didn't get that until about the

531
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17th century they were sort of Inklings

532
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of it beforehand but it's actually a

533
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very new discipline because it's not a

534
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way either evolutionary or otherwise

535
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it's not a way humans are kind of built

536
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to think so it is it's a muscle or it's

537
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it's skill you need to kind of learn by

538
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doing and as it turns out and this is

539
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kind of one of the things we talk about

540
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in the book the universe is

541
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probabilistic so it says something

542
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potentially quite important that we

543
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should potentially have a probabilistic

544
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understanding ourselves mm-hmm right and

545
00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:26,470
that is one of the revelations I had

546
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,310
with this book because when it comes to

547
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:31,840
actually trying to get into magic or

548
00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:34,930
magical targeting this applies greatly

549
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:37,240
because it seems like we should aim for

550
00:21:46,350 --> 00:21:42,010
smaller factors to success rather than

551
00:21:47,490 --> 00:21:46,360
just writing some sigil looking for the

552
00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:47,500
pot of gold at the end of the rainbow

553
00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:50,740
right yeah and that emerged out there

554
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:53,470
sort of years of getting sigils wrong

555
00:21:58,350 --> 00:21:56,770
before I got them right basically yes is

556
00:22:00,720 --> 00:21:58,360
the short answer service and there's a

557
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,730
kind of complete way of if you've never

558
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:01,600
done this before

559
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:03,850
running through sigils and how they how

560
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,500
you create them and their activation in

561
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:07,840
the book and the particular method that

562
00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:10,110
I've been espousing for a few years

563
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:13,630
matches you kind of forced to and this

564
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:15,730
is kind of like hiding the vegetables in

565
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:18,010
the kids food you're kind of forced to

566
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:19,870
think probabilistically just by

567
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:23,050
constructing and activating sigils in a

568
00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:25,510
way that is described in the book mm-hmm

569
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:28,660
yeah you did touch on this but it is one

570
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:30,730
of the great things about your writing

571
00:22:34,830 --> 00:22:33,490
and how you approach the mechanisms of

572
00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:34,840
magick is you take data from

573
00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:37,480
consciousness studies near-death

574
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:40,360
experiences clues from the quantum world

575
00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:43,090
and you take this knowledge and see how

576
00:22:46,980 --> 00:22:45,550
it can be used to fine-tune the magic

577
00:22:49,980 --> 00:22:46,990
you know to get to

578
00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:49,990
works and remove what doesn't and that's

579
00:22:55,410 --> 00:22:51,880
kind of the the thing I really love it

580
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:55,420
kind of in a way it normalizes magic you

581
00:22:59,940 --> 00:22:58,210
know it makes you take that back in a

582
00:23:02,370 --> 00:22:59,950
good way you know and in the best of

583
00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:02,380
ways for someone like me because when

584
00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:03,820
I'm looking at it and it just seems like

585
00:23:08,340 --> 00:23:06,040
a lot of drama and theatrics to some

586
00:23:09,810 --> 00:23:08,350
degree you know you basically look at

587
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:09,820
science and you say no look there is

588
00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:11,290
something here and I like those

589
00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:12,160
indications

590
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,440
well that's chaos magic to a tee it's

591
00:23:19,580 --> 00:23:16,720
very opportunistic it looks for the

592
00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:19,590
things that works it doesn't promise you

593
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:23,080
some sort of grand vision of how the

594
00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:25,090
universe it promised you a metaphysic

595
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:28,300
that you might get with sort of whatever

596
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:30,010
the Golden Dawn two systems are today

597
00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:33,130
and or theosophy or what have you it

598
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:35,470
doesn't promise you a vision or an

599
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,170
explanation of the world you you have to

600
00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:39,520
build that yourself because the reality

601
00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:41,380
is if you don't build it yourself you're

602
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:44,020
running off someone else's but yes I

603
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:46,330
find it interesting we basically have

604
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,530
some very good data over the last

605
00:23:51,299 --> 00:23:49,360
hundred and twenty years that all these

606
00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:51,309
things that seem like they're quite

607
00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:54,070
important to magic have some reality to

608
00:23:59,730 --> 00:23:56,679
them so consciousness survives death

609
00:24:01,620 --> 00:23:59,740
there is some form of after death state

610
00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:01,630
of humans that we can be in contact with

611
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,670
it as we know from an improved

612
00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:04,960
understanding of the you for logical

613
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:07,420
phenomenon that little green man is an

614
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,070
insufficient answer so that we not only

615
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,200
have spirits we have spirits that or a

616
00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:13,840
spirit world that is the spectrum that

617
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:16,300
involves non-physical all the way to

618
00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:18,370
sort of full physical interaction and

619
00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:21,220
you find in magic a way of not just kind

620
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:23,260
of modeling that but but engaging with

621
00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:25,570
it with with a few safety blanket around

622
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:29,230
and we also have this kind of improved

623
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,110
understanding of things that the mind or

624
00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:33,760
consciousness can actually do so you

625
00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:36,820
have telepathy and you have clairvoyance

626
00:24:43,049 --> 00:24:40,600
and you have this ability to alter but

627
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:43,059
not by much to sort of slightly alter

628
00:24:46,919 --> 00:24:44,650
probabilities and that's the kind of the

629
00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:46,929
other key to it so we have dr. Dean

630
00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:48,940
Radin famous research at Burning Man

631
00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:51,160
with a random number generator and

632
00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:53,140
people would sort of focus on it just

633
00:24:57,210 --> 00:24:54,790
late you know and this is Burning Man so

634
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,220
these aren't sort of sober normal people

635
00:24:59,730 --> 00:24:58,480
right they're off their face and they

636
00:25:01,770 --> 00:24:59,740
can still do it

637
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:01,780
and there that you can get measurable

638
00:25:06,299 --> 00:25:04,360
changes in in the kind of random number

639
00:25:08,850 --> 00:25:06,309
generator that show that this sort of

640
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,860
group consciousness effect can impact

641
00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:11,679
the material world so you pull all these

642
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:15,660
together and go right so that's magic

643
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:19,570
and these data that supports suddenly

644
00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:20,920
that I mean I've always known but I

645
00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:23,350
think to get to get people who are kind

646
00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:27,040
of on the magic fence off the magic

647
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,700
friends it kind of helps to go alright

648
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,559
so this book isn't gonna have too much

649
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,480
about ascended masters and dolphins

650
00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:37,360
actually run through information that I

651
00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:38,740
can get that doesn't turn right is that

652
00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:40,270
right and then you can look it up and go

653
00:25:45,540 --> 00:25:42,760
holy [\h__\h] that's right yeah man yeah I

654
00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:45,550
love it and I don't see it as often as I

655
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:46,990
feel like I should and in some of the

656
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:48,850
books that I read but let's talk about

657
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:50,410
the life after death thing a little bit

658
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:52,270
because I personally have had an

659
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:54,490
aversion to anything ghost related

660
00:25:58,980 --> 00:25:56,770
because of the religious implication so

661
00:26:01,860 --> 00:25:58,990
I never dug too much into things like

662
00:26:04,049 --> 00:26:01,870
the skull experiments for example which

663
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:04,059
now seems pretty amazing as one of the

664
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:05,830
clues into how reality really works can

665
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:07,210
you talk to us a little bit about that

666
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:09,850
as the smoking gun that consciousness

667
00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:14,110
does survive human death well I have

668
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:15,790
different guns that smoke but the skull

669
00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:19,450
experiments are frankly astounding the

670
00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:21,460
Society for psychical research was set

671
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:25,150
up in London 120 years ago and I went to

672
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:26,380
its birthday recently I don't think

673
00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:27,610
that's right it's more than that

674
00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:31,660
anyway this this group emerged in in at

675
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,929
very high Victorian confident way they

676
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,880
could see electric lighting and and we

677
00:26:41,610 --> 00:26:38,320
had all these new things like geology

678
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:41,620
and what have you and and the radio and

679
00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:43,450
so people were kind of like okay so

680
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:45,400
these things exist and it was in that

681
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:47,650
interesting sort of intertidal zone

682
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:51,520
between the end of it sort of not really

683
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:52,510
examined

684
00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:55,750
Anglicanism and the rise of science and

685
00:26:59,220 --> 00:26:57,910
scientists were off you know total and

686
00:27:01,200 --> 00:26:59,230
off with their materialism and then

687
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:01,210
everyone else is like well that's not

688
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:02,470
right either but we have all these

689
00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:04,809
things and it was it's kind of like can

690
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:07,000
we use these scientific processes to

691
00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:08,620
find out something about the afterlife

692
00:27:13,169 --> 00:27:11,590
or you know divinity or so on this is

693
00:27:15,539 --> 00:27:13,179
one of those extremely confident

694
00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:15,549
in retrospect hilarious projects it

695
00:27:19,589 --> 00:27:17,320
still exists and they are actually quite

696
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:19,599
diligent you would think that they would

697
00:27:22,739 --> 00:27:21,609
err on the side of oh yeah that's

698
00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:22,749
definitely a ghost or that was

699
00:27:27,629 --> 00:27:24,940
definitely telepathy but the reality is

700
00:27:29,459 --> 00:27:27,639
most of their research is extremely

701
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:29,469
boring because they they will throw out

702
00:27:32,909 --> 00:27:31,570
that I'm potentially more credulous than

703
00:27:35,639 --> 00:27:32,919
and they'll throw out stuff that I think

704
00:27:37,349 --> 00:27:35,649
is it's almost open and shut there is

705
00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:37,359
one that is the most incredible

706
00:27:40,289 --> 00:27:39,070
experiment in there more than hundred

707
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,299
year history which is the skull

708
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:42,159
experiments which is named for a town in

709
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:45,609
the East of England and a group of SPR

710
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:48,369
members spent about a year doing it you

711
00:27:52,169 --> 00:27:49,690
know it's a sort of classic Victorian

712
00:27:53,639 --> 00:27:52,179
seance model down in the basement they

713
00:27:55,409 --> 00:27:53,649
had a table and it was old there was no

714
00:27:57,779 --> 00:27:55,419
light they painted that out and I

715
00:28:00,859 --> 00:27:57,789
started to get kind of channeled

716
00:28:03,869 --> 00:28:00,869
messages and and and like mild

717
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:03,879
poltergeist effects and they would they

718
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,769
would meet for at least once a week for

719
00:28:10,229 --> 00:28:08,799
a year and after a year or so and other

720
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:10,239
spirits on the other side they named the

721
00:28:14,249 --> 00:28:11,769
spirit team because they said oh we're

722
00:28:18,239 --> 00:28:14,259
going to we've been looking for a group

723
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:18,249
that we can kind of say like give the

724
00:28:21,779 --> 00:28:19,809
definitive proof to this is what the

725
00:28:23,249 --> 00:28:21,789
spirit team said and then after a year

726
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:23,259
the most astounding things happened and

727
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:26,559
said that they had imported objects that

728
00:28:31,229 --> 00:28:28,690
included newspapers from the 1940s which

729
00:28:33,329 --> 00:28:31,239
are impossible to fake because they were

730
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:33,339
using an ink replacement because of the

731
00:28:37,529 --> 00:28:35,710
war so in which you can't get me more

732
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:37,539
like it was it's not used as an ink and

733
00:28:41,849 --> 00:28:39,070
it's about just that arrived from

734
00:28:44,489 --> 00:28:41,859
nowhere and they had sealed like factory

735
00:28:45,989 --> 00:28:44,499
sealed canisters of of Kodak could film

736
00:28:50,009 --> 00:28:45,999
that they would unroll and they had all

737
00:28:52,409 --> 00:28:50,019
these written messages and and and sort

738
00:28:55,169 --> 00:28:52,419
of formulae and all this kind of stuff

739
00:28:57,659 --> 00:28:55,179
on and just the most astounding secrets

740
00:29:00,119 --> 00:28:57,669
of things that cannot work in anything

741
00:29:01,769 --> 00:29:00,129
other than a spirit model for people if

742
00:29:04,379 --> 00:29:01,779
people are interested in this you'll

743
00:29:06,869 --> 00:29:04,389
find a couple of like full-length skull

744
00:29:08,249 --> 00:29:06,879
documentaries on YouTube and skull

745
00:29:09,509 --> 00:29:08,259
experiment documentaries and there's

746
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:09,519
they're certainly worth your time

747
00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:12,190
they're a few years old now so if you

748
00:29:16,859 --> 00:29:13,960
kindly remember what Discovery Channel

749
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:16,869
was like circa 2003 that's what you're

750
00:29:22,349 --> 00:29:18,820
in for but the the information behind it

751
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:22,359
is very worth your time and so if you

752
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:23,710
kind of could hear all these data points

753
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,990
and you could hear the MDE research

754
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:27,520
you do start to build a model that goes

755
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:31,510
okay I can no longer I can kind of logic

756
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:34,960
my way to the realization of the reality

757
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:37,600
of a spirit world that's fine for most

758
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:39,250
people for magicians there's something

759
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,050
very different in you know all

760
00:29:45,270 --> 00:29:43,140
potentially broken whatever in our heads

761
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:45,280
that makes you want to play with that a

762
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:46,240
bit yeah

763
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:48,940
and and chaos verticals is definitely

764
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:51,130
for that sort of person yeah I like that

765
00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:53,620
section it is pretty convincing for the

766
00:29:58,290 --> 00:29:56,200
kind of areas I didn't want to look at

767
00:30:00,090 --> 00:29:58,300
previously just because of my religious

768
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,100
upbringing and wanting to throw out

769
00:30:04,919 --> 00:30:01,840
everything that has to do with that but

770
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:04,929
well I don't I don't land on a very

771
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:06,790
specific model they don't know what

772
00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:08,620
happens you know I don't know what they

773
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:12,400
are right so like yeah but I don't want

774
00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:13,450
to give people the idea that though

775
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:14,679
they'll get to the end of it it will be

776
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,870
something about a tunnel and Jesus right

777
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:19,120
of course that is an important thing to

778
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:21,370
point out it's not like that but there

779
00:30:25,530 --> 00:30:23,410
is some data to suggest in some form

780
00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:25,540
there is a life after death and we

781
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:27,820
shouldn't ignore it that's basically the

782
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:30,490
point I guess official and to to tie a

783
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:32,440
bit of the magic to a bit of the science

784
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:35,590
in a kind of a more detailed way what

785
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:39,010
would you say the hermetica got right

786
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:40,020
when it comes to understanding

787
00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:43,110
consciousnesses interaction with matter

788
00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:46,540
so if you look at the trouble with the

789
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:48,820
hermetic text if you kind of talk about

790
00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:50,770
them all at one they said a lot of them

791
00:30:56,610 --> 00:30:53,620
uh goo basically and there are a lot of

792
00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:56,620
them but there is what we've kind of

793
00:31:02,640 --> 00:30:58,840
come to consider a sort of hermetic

794
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:02,650
worldview turns out to be quite and the

795
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:05,380
other risk is the last hundred years

796
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:07,720
have had a bunch of kind of spiritual

797
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:09,790
people who use science to kind of prove

798
00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:12,010
a worldview true and in both cases we're

799
00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:13,780
kind of like two fingers point to get a

800
00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:16,270
move at the moon here because science is

801
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:18,460
is a description rather than explanation

802
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:20,050
so they're both pointing at the same

803
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:23,830
thing with different words but the sort

804
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,890
of kind of broad hermetic view is one of

805
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:31,360
inanimate universe so it's largely

806
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:32,470
consciousness run they use different

807
00:31:39,340 --> 00:31:35,740
words and and and a few other things run

808
00:31:42,010 --> 00:31:39,350
with them but crucially man

809
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:42,020
creates reality which is in some sense

810
00:31:46,659 --> 00:31:44,570
sort of unfinished by the by the act of

811
00:31:49,419 --> 00:31:46,669
sort of observation and learning and and

812
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:49,429
that is a sort of devotion to God to to

813
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:52,030
kind of do that so you have this idea of

814
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,850
we being a tiny reflection of the the

815
00:31:59,380 --> 00:31:57,200
sort of cosmic mind there's an

816
00:32:02,020 --> 00:31:59,390
individual mind and in the act of

817
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:02,030
observing reality we in some sense

818
00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:04,010
complete creation now that looks very

819
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:06,740
similar to the double-slit experiments

820
00:32:12,340 --> 00:32:09,919
of the sort of mid 20th century quantum

821
00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:12,350
theorists for instance there are other

822
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,940
pieces that I find kind of interesting

823
00:32:16,899 --> 00:32:15,200
which I learned recently they

824
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:16,909
subsequently publishing with a book so

825
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:19,330
they said famous microcosm macrocosm

826
00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:22,820
things so that each human is a is a

827
00:32:31,930 --> 00:32:27,220
perfect encapsulation of the divine now

828
00:32:33,490 --> 00:32:31,940
if you look at how npcs are built in a

829
00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:33,500
in a game environment in a digital

830
00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:35,179
environment they have to have a map of

831
00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:37,100
the entire world in their heads to

832
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:39,470
function correctly so the entire

833
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,929
universe is in their head just so like

834
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,760
in the head of every little NPC

835
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,240
character so they can operate in within

836
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:49,039
the world of the game yeah I think

837
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:51,280
that's really interesting

838
00:32:58,539 --> 00:32:54,470
if one what if one did have to build an

839
00:33:00,640 --> 00:32:58,549
entire universe which we now do it turns

840
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:00,650
out that you have to basically work two

841
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:02,090
hermetic models to get the whole thing

842
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:06,799
to work ah it's amazing man so to wait

843
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:08,570
us into some of the magic stuff in

844
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,730
relation to our economic situation you

845
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:12,799
dedicate a chapter to what you call true

846
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:15,380
initiation or becoming invincible and

847
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:17,570
its importance is summed up pretty well

848
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:20,210
with this quote there is no greater

849
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:22,460
defense against the grim uncompromising

850
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:24,440
wasteland of the late capitalist world

851
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:26,690
than the unshakable awareness that it

852
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:29,090
will end and you will not and that's

853
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:31,130
beautiful man talk to us about the

854
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:33,320
importance of becoming invincible and

855
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:35,210
just how the hell we actually do that

856
00:33:39,789 --> 00:33:38,390
sure well it's a magic book I mean it's

857
00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:39,799
published by Llewellyn and they do a lot

858
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,190
of metaphysical kind of 101 books which

859
00:33:47,409 --> 00:33:45,200
I wasn't sure I wanted to write and and

860
00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:47,419
mine's kind of a I know I has Tim

861
00:33:49,670 --> 00:33:48,980
Blumenthal deconstructed one of these

862
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:49,680
things

863
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:53,910
fraught with challenge in in the Western

864
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:56,340
magical tradition is is initiation north

865
00:34:00,800 --> 00:33:59,340
anticip we haven't had initiatory

866
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:00,810
traditions for one and a half thousand

867
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:02,760
years so since the mystery schools ended

868
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:05,490
there is no secret kind of group running

869
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:07,410
down through them so initiation has

870
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,179
become fairly politicized in those last

871
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:11,460
hundred and thirty years where when the

872
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:13,169
Golden Dawn built their system they kind

873
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,730
of modeled it on Freemasonry and

874
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,440
pretended they had all these secret

875
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:18,300
documents which is sort of vary of

876
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:21,330
resolution thing to do the OTO which is

877
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:22,860
German when curly done it there

878
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:24,090
everyone's pretending they're a lot

879
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:25,530
older than they are and they're not

880
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:29,399
right so we have kind of malformed

881
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:31,470
discussions in the magical world about

882
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:33,510
initiation now in the meantime in the

883
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,450
rest of the world there is initiation

884
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:37,919
initiation is is a kind of triggering

885
00:34:44,899 --> 00:34:41,520
event that makes you realize gala tea is

886
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:44,909
not advertised at all and it can be in a

887
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:46,950
book I kind of say you can skip this

888
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,360
chapter of Discovery Channel's done a

889
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:49,919
ghost show in your house or if you've

890
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:51,810
been abducted by aliens like it needs to

891
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:54,810
be an extreme event after which there's

892
00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:56,250
no getting the toothpaste back into the

893
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,680
tube like you you cannot return to an

894
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:01,440
official reality because it's it's

895
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:04,410
incomplete now right initiation truly

896
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:07,050
done if you look at say New Guinea and

897
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:08,970
Highlanders or if you look at people

898
00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:11,510
being initiated as Eurasian shaman or

899
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:14,670
kind of similar roles in the Amazon or

900
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:17,190
even sort of the sort of classic First

901
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,250
Nations vision Vision Quest kind of

902
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:23,760
ideas you have to have an inciting

903
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:26,610
incident that the trick is this that

904
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,720
triggers this engagement with the

905
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:29,160
university way there is extremely

906
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:31,290
four-pound that is you can kind of ace

907
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,970
you kind of bc-ad your life around it so

908
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:37,560
becoming invincible is what I call doubt

909
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:38,790
because once you've had that experience

910
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:42,450
once you know and again I emphasize it

911
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:44,610
doesn't even need to be pleasant I mean

912
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:45,930
I hope it is but it doesn't mean to be

913
00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:48,900
right once you know that it's not as

914
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:51,390
advertised you are invincible like if

915
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:53,490
your boss has had a bad day and she's

916
00:36:00,760 --> 00:35:58,010
just being a cow to you all these things

917
00:36:02,770 --> 00:36:00,770
become smaller they become smaller

918
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:02,780
because they don't it's not real you

919
00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:06,500
know hmm it's not at all this isn't

920
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:08,630
actually reality and more importantly

921
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:11,330
you're invincible like death can't end

922
00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:14,330
you that's kind of the prize that's

923
00:36:18,850 --> 00:36:15,460
about a third of the way through

924
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:18,860
anyone's magical journey that unshakable

925
00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:21,290
realization and once you get it the rest

926
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:23,900
is gravy and unfortunately the other 2/3

927
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:25,400
when you when it comes to sort of more

928
00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:28,010
traditional magical orders they've kind

929
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:29,960
of populated the remaining 2/3 with

930
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:32,510
different aprons and different titles

931
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:34,430
and colors and crossing the abyss and

932
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:37,310
and all this stuff which is gilding the

933
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:38,420
lily mm-hmm

934
00:36:43,420 --> 00:36:41,420
because there is a before and after once

935
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:43,430
you know that you are invincible and I

936
00:36:47,470 --> 00:36:44,990
mean that in the sense that please don't

937
00:36:50,290 --> 00:36:47,480
jump off a roof I mean when death comes

938
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:50,300
for you you don't end that really puts

939
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:52,250
every like puts everything else in a

940
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:55,310
perspective that you can never unpacked

941
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:57,770
I've if that makes sense like yeah let's

942
00:37:02,980 --> 00:36:59,330
just invent words so that was that's

943
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:02,990
kind of the that's kind of what becoming

944
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:05,810
invincible means right and that is an

945
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:08,990
important part in the book and you can't

946
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:12,020
obviously induce a typical alien

947
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:13,790
abduction scenario or a ghost in your

948
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:16,900
house for Discovery Channel to cover but

949
00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:19,210
psychedelics they really are

950
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:21,260
invincibility in the palm of your hand

951
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:23,480
of course you have to use them the right

952
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:25,010
way yeah you have to do them right

953
00:37:30,340 --> 00:37:27,710
so I again it's a turns mckenna thing

954
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:30,350
but he sort of said a shaman without

955
00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:32,900
psychedelics is like a pilot without a

956
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:34,340
stunt plane like it

957
00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:36,170
I did not you're not doing it correctly

958
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:38,900
yeah and we do have this opportunity and

959
00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:41,450
it's it's part of the sort of collapse

960
00:37:47,290 --> 00:37:45,260
of our currents or you know totalitarian

961
00:37:48,910 --> 00:37:47,300
superstructure piece-by-piece it doesn't

962
00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:48,920
all come down at once it's like cake in

963
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,520
a rain is that there are ways that you

964
00:37:57,460 --> 00:37:55,280
can legally do this now and I get the

965
00:37:59,980 --> 00:37:57,470
other pushback I get is it's it's too

966
00:38:02,200 --> 00:37:59,990
expensive to go to the Amazon or Xavier

967
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:02,210
to do it right it's an opportunity cost

968
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:04,130
era like it'll it'll cost you if you

969
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:06,710
grant no questions but you're not gonna

970
00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:08,570
hopefully you're not gonna want your TV

971
00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:11,180
when you come back

972
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,150
price on invincibility yeah this is it

973
00:38:17,650 --> 00:38:16,400
yeah put the book down like I'm not

974
00:38:20,290 --> 00:38:17,660
saying that's the only way to do it and

975
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:20,300
in fact there are states in in the US

976
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:22,910
where you'll be able to find you know

977
00:38:27,309 --> 00:38:25,760
ethical magical groups or witches or so

978
00:38:30,130 --> 00:38:27,319
on and and and there are legally

979
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:30,140
available molecules and you combine that

980
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:32,660
in a ritual space and it might work but

981
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:35,210
there are this is what we have used for

982
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:36,980
thirty thousand years to become

983
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:39,770
invincible so I was kind of was a

984
00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:41,210
difficult part to write in that chapter

985
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:43,400
because obviously it's a book published

986
00:38:48,309 --> 00:38:45,650
by a proper publisher in the US so I

987
00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:48,319
can't be like get some mushrooms however

988
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:51,740
you get them here's a prayer have a

989
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:54,890
sitter go and do this because they can't

990
00:38:58,660 --> 00:38:56,780
have that book and I mean technically we

991
00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:58,670
can't air here either technically we

992
00:39:03,819 --> 00:39:00,920
can't but I would I mean I from my

993
00:39:05,799 --> 00:39:03,829
experience I would say don't even let

994
00:39:10,210 --> 00:39:05,809
legalities get in the way of your

995
00:39:11,859 --> 00:39:10,220
immortality no well yeah I didn't and I

996
00:39:13,799 --> 00:39:11,869
kind of had to put it in the book which

997
00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:13,809
was which is a big deal I know people

998
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:16,190
there's a tendency at the moment to

999
00:39:22,809 --> 00:39:19,190
overemphasize ayahuasca it's kind of yes

1000
00:39:25,089 --> 00:39:22,819
trendy yeah it's like olive oil was in

1001
00:39:26,859 --> 00:39:25,099
my late 90s or something everyone's

1002
00:39:28,839 --> 00:39:26,869
writing books about how they went to

1003
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:28,849
Tuscany and learned how to press olive

1004
00:39:33,339 --> 00:39:30,890
oil and it's the same thing with

1005
00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:33,349
ayahuasca now not sure if I send it to

1006
00:39:38,589 --> 00:39:35,380
you with a fantastic onion article

1007
00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:38,599
ayahuasca shaman dreading upcoming week

1008
00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:41,420
of teaching more tech CEOs about

1009
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:43,220
spirituality or something that's

1010
00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:47,150
basically where we're at so like I kind

1011
00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:49,309
of I don't want it to fall into that

1012
00:39:52,839 --> 00:39:51,230
into that trap because there are other

1013
00:39:56,109 --> 00:39:52,849
molecules and there are the routes and

1014
00:39:58,420 --> 00:39:56,119
there are other traditions that will

1015
00:40:00,730 --> 00:39:58,430
take you on that journey without you

1016
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:00,740
having to like that is part of their

1017
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:03,470
tradition we'll do that and and then

1018
00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:05,030
you're not going to wake up and suddenly

1019
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:07,880
you're in I I didn't sign up for this

1020
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,819
religion there right and there are there

1021
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:12,079
are a number of them around the world

1022
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:13,250
there are a number of places where you

1023
00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:15,290
can do that because it is medicine so

1024
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,190
it's viewed in in a medicinal way and as

1025
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:20,960
part of their role that you can be

1026
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:22,790
welcomed in and and and have these

1027
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:24,410
experiences in

1028
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:28,670
the correct space that will do it if

1029
00:40:32,829 --> 00:40:30,170
anything like I'm I'm glad you picked up

1030
00:40:35,499 --> 00:40:32,839
on it because the magical community

1031
00:40:36,609 --> 00:40:35,509
likes to talk about the ritual component

1032
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:36,619
which is the other half of the chapter

1033
00:40:41,499 --> 00:40:39,410
but I do actually open it with there's

1034
00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:41,509
no like the best way to do it is this

1035
00:40:46,809 --> 00:40:44,329
and I can't say otherwise it would be

1036
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:46,819
dishonest yeah yeah it's funny because

1037
00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:48,980
at the time when I was first getting

1038
00:40:53,890 --> 00:40:52,190
into psychedelics I had a friend who had

1039
00:40:57,460 --> 00:40:53,900
the same kind of thing he was going down

1040
00:41:00,519 --> 00:40:57,470
a more meditative consciousness

1041
00:41:02,349 --> 00:41:00,529
astral projection type realm and we were

1042
00:41:05,259 --> 00:41:02,359
both coming to similar conclusions in

1043
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:05,269
our exploration but I was like man for

1044
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,130
me I just have to dive right into the

1045
00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:08,480
deep end of the pool it's nice that you

1046
00:41:13,299 --> 00:41:10,519
can wade in nice and slow and

1047
00:41:16,029 --> 00:41:13,309
methodically but for me it doesn't work

1048
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:16,039
in my inciting event was with salvia I

1049
00:41:20,109 --> 00:41:17,660
know I'm in the minority but you

1050
00:41:22,299 --> 00:41:20,119
definitely didn't have to go far to get

1051
00:41:25,509 --> 00:41:22,309
salvia when I did it it was available

1052
00:41:27,339 --> 00:41:25,519
actually in head shops yes is it Stu I

1053
00:41:29,259 --> 00:41:27,349
don't know if it still is or not yeah

1054
00:41:31,029 --> 00:41:29,269
I'm I haven't had a few years I think

1055
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:31,039
you think it's available here yeah not

1056
00:41:34,839 --> 00:41:33,500
pleasant but I'd recommend it but it

1057
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:34,849
doesn't need to be pleasant that's the

1058
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,329
thing exactly again if you're gonna do

1059
00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:39,920
simply the last longer than Southie

1060
00:41:45,819 --> 00:41:42,950
you'd want it to be pleasant but yeah

1061
00:41:47,859 --> 00:41:45,829
absolutely yeah and to get to that other

1062
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:47,869
side you also do dedicate some time to

1063
00:41:53,019 --> 00:41:50,930
our ancestors and the dead I know we've

1064
00:41:54,819 --> 00:41:53,029
talked a bit about ancestors before I'm

1065
00:41:57,279 --> 00:41:54,829
sitting just five feet from my own

1066
00:41:59,370 --> 00:41:57,289
personal ancestor altar right now oh

1067
00:42:02,650 --> 00:41:59,380
well done yes finally

1068
00:42:05,819 --> 00:42:02,660
but in this economic context how can

1069
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:05,829
commuting with the Dead be helpful who

1070
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:09,200
depends on the dead you can go fool

1071
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:11,900
necromancy and and I know summing up JP

1072
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:14,089
Morgan from wherever he is down there

1073
00:42:20,349 --> 00:42:18,079
Wow I mean and I wouldn't recommend that

1074
00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:20,359
but technically you can you know I still

1075
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:23,750
got the training wheels on man the

1076
00:42:28,779 --> 00:42:25,670
ancestor work is a it's kind of like

1077
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:28,789
nonspecific luck magic if you think even

1078
00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:31,220
for people who've been adopted or had

1079
00:42:36,339 --> 00:42:34,039
family trauma early on you can skip

1080
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:36,349
people I kind of go into the like the

1081
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:37,849
Romans in particular

1082
00:42:42,969 --> 00:42:40,640
would adopt people just so that they

1083
00:42:44,469 --> 00:42:42,979
would have someone to perform ancestor

1084
00:42:46,269 --> 00:42:44,479
rites once they died same thing there

1085
00:42:48,999 --> 00:42:46,279
kind of happens with China and Japan now

1086
00:42:51,009 --> 00:42:49,009
in some places because if you've had a

1087
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:51,019
falling-out with your son or your your

1088
00:42:55,209 --> 00:42:53,569
daughter's died or what-have-you

1089
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:55,219
like this is this is part of the process

1090
00:42:59,380 --> 00:42:57,410
so I just want to kind of put that out

1091
00:43:00,609 --> 00:42:59,390
there because I feedback wise if people

1092
00:43:02,229 --> 00:43:00,619
are adopted or they've you know had

1093
00:43:03,609 --> 00:43:02,239
family trauma in there and so on that

1094
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,619
that's all the thing you can skip

1095
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:06,079
generations you can also and this was

1096
00:43:12,729 --> 00:43:09,529
like the worst magic in in Egypt but you

1097
00:43:15,189 --> 00:43:12,739
can erase ancestors you can actually get

1098
00:43:19,329 --> 00:43:15,199
yeah I deny you this food I deny you

1099
00:43:21,069 --> 00:43:19,339
this water if you're in that truly that

1100
00:43:22,959 --> 00:43:21,079
that haven't had ships it the sort of

1101
00:43:24,489 --> 00:43:22,969
female pharaoh they they kept rubbing

1102
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:24,499
they erased her names after her death

1103
00:43:29,019 --> 00:43:26,569
and that's very powerful magic in Egypt

1104
00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:29,029
they say that about Akhenaten - yeah

1105
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:31,880
exactly because they're a lot I mean the

1106
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:33,579
Egyptians have that kind of wonderful

1107
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:37,670
crazy animist cosmology so you're doing

1108
00:43:42,999 --> 00:43:40,130
doubt you are actually destroying that

1109
00:43:45,279 --> 00:43:43,009
thing sort of how it works

1110
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,289
damn let's do that with you ancestor

1111
00:43:50,979 --> 00:43:47,119
altar and day one what I am saying is

1112
00:43:53,410 --> 00:43:50,989
that if you are alive today in 2016 you

1113
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:53,420
have a bloodline you have a chain of

1114
00:43:57,939 --> 00:43:55,729
people going back to the first human

1115
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:57,949
there is no other way that you're here

1116
00:44:03,939 --> 00:44:01,430
now that's a long chain of hardship and

1117
00:44:07,029 --> 00:44:03,949
and and you know challenges that have

1118
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,039
been overcome and and so on that's it is

1119
00:44:11,229 --> 00:44:09,440
a sort of a wellspring of perspective

1120
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,239
available from it but from a magical

1121
00:44:15,549 --> 00:44:13,839
perspective given that this was

1122
00:44:17,799 --> 00:44:15,559
archaeologically it appears that this

1123
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:17,809
was our first spirituality they

1124
00:44:22,539 --> 00:44:20,420
remembrance of of our dead families mhm

1125
00:44:24,189 --> 00:44:22,549
we have kind of broken from that

1126
00:44:26,799 --> 00:44:24,199
admittedly only recently in the West

1127
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,809
like if you especially if you have a

1128
00:44:31,959 --> 00:44:29,359
Catholic sort of background and you go

1129
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:31,969
back about 80 90 years there's ghosts

1130
00:44:37,689 --> 00:44:34,630
everywhere and and little pictures of

1131
00:44:39,849 --> 00:44:37,699
uncle whoever and whatever in the wall

1132
00:44:41,319 --> 00:44:39,859
and people saying Mass for the departed

1133
00:44:43,689 --> 00:44:41,329
and all this kind of stuff that is

1134
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:43,699
ancestor veneration it's just it doesn't

1135
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:46,249
look like there's sort of marvelous

1136
00:44:50,949 --> 00:44:48,170
spirit houses that you get in in

1137
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:50,959
Southeast Asia so we've kind of fallen

1138
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:51,740
away from that

1139
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:54,010
and you find that it's tremendously

1140
00:44:59,710 --> 00:44:57,890
transformative in over the long term in

1141
00:45:02,440 --> 00:44:59,720
bringing this back but you also just get

1142
00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:02,450
luckier it's something about the

1143
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:04,760
reconnection with with your family in

1144
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:06,950
the spirit world that I kind of put it

1145
00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:08,300
in and out of the book because they

1146
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:09,880
didn't want to push anything that

1147
00:45:15,339 --> 00:45:12,770
resembled like here's what I believe

1148
00:45:18,849 --> 00:45:15,349
anymore because it's not what I do

1149
00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:18,859
but this one had to stay in because it

1150
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:21,320
it technically falls under luck magic in

1151
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:24,609
a book like this please don't sort of

1152
00:45:30,099 --> 00:45:26,810
reconnect with your ancestors and buy a

1153
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:30,109
lottery ticket it you can't use it to

1154
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:32,420
get lucky at something but you'll see

1155
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:34,970
you'll get you'll get better traffic

1156
00:45:39,099 --> 00:45:37,369
you'll you'll have those kind of benign

1157
00:45:41,859 --> 00:45:39,109
coincidences that make the universe

1158
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:41,869
taste better and I kind of looked when I

1159
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:43,490
was compiling the book at my right so I

1160
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:45,890
need stuff about this and stuff about

1161
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:47,420
that and stuff about this and I'm always

1162
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:49,250
gonna need to talk about after I've told

1163
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:50,540
you about probability I'm gonna need to

1164
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:52,490
talk about luck magic and there are

1165
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:55,220
spells in the back for them but if that

1166
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:56,930
I spoke to the editor about it I might

1167
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,330
give her I'm honest this has been the

1168
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:01,520
thing that's kind of it improved my

1169
00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:04,970
background quote-unquote luck amongst

1170
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:06,950
other things more than anything else so

1171
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:09,950
yeah I'm very happy it in there it's

1172
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:12,530
interesting outside of ancestors you

1173
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:14,210
also do get very detailed about the

1174
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:17,450
actual rituals and which entities can be

1175
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:19,550
helpful in success magic talk to us

1176
00:46:24,310 --> 00:46:21,500
about some of those entities that come

1177
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:24,320
to mind that aren't ancestors well I

1178
00:46:29,470 --> 00:46:27,050
mean staying in the same chapter there

1179
00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:29,480
are a number of different ways of kind

1180
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:32,540
of either connecting lore or improving

1181
00:46:38,650 --> 00:46:35,450
your relationship with the spirit world

1182
00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:38,660
so we have sort of homonymous

1183
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:40,849
invitations and homonymous speaking of

1184
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:43,310
that kind of greco-roman world is one of

1185
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:45,740
my favorite things to come out of it

1186
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:47,570
it's a combination as you can kind of

1187
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:49,010
tell from the name of the the Greek

1188
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,210
Hermes and the Egyptian Anubis so Hermes

1189
00:46:59,650 --> 00:46:56,240
is the kind of messenger messenger of

1190
00:47:01,900 --> 00:46:59,660
the gods role he is also called Hermes

1191
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:01,910
cattaneo so he's a psycho pump in the

1192
00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:04,940
sense that he can in some forms at

1193
00:47:09,609 --> 00:47:06,980
people who have died to the afterlife so

1194
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:09,619
is one of those kind of crossing between

1195
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:11,690
life and death figures it's always been

1196
00:47:16,839 --> 00:47:14,329
like the the actual word Hermes probably

1197
00:47:18,849 --> 00:47:16,849
came from the name for a little pile of

1198
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:18,859
stones that used as it was used as a

1199
00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:20,810
border marker in archaic Greece so it's

1200
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:22,760
about that border between this world and

1201
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:23,210
the next

1202
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:24,890
and Anubis is of course the

1203
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:27,770
jackal-headed God of well we say god of

1204
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:30,710
mummification it's a it's a um it's a

1205
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:33,290
woeful oversimplification crowley

1206
00:47:37,569 --> 00:47:35,060
describes him quite well in his book of

1207
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:37,579
Thoth about the moon card because he has

1208
00:47:43,870 --> 00:47:41,599
he has Anubis there Anubis has a few

1209
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,880
Egyptian and then later Greek titles to

1210
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:46,640
talk like way opener or opener of the

1211
00:47:51,069 --> 00:47:49,310
way so when in the greco-roman world

1212
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:51,079
though they were very interested in kind

1213
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:52,930
of plugging many gods together like Lego

1214
00:47:56,890 --> 00:47:55,369
and if things matched other things they

1215
00:48:00,270 --> 00:47:56,900
kind of smushed them together and so you

1216
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:00,280
have this this dizzying kind of polyglot

1217
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,690
cosmology kind of chaos magic in oh

1218
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:05,359
we're yeah well absolutely my favorite

1219
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,270
one is her man abyss because it's it's a

1220
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,680
combination of the like they have a

1221
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:11,599
quite good thing going with homies

1222
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:13,490
anyway for some reason the god of Thebes

1223
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:18,170
favors Australians no idea why and so I

1224
00:48:21,849 --> 00:48:20,510
kind of pulled some of the and modified

1225
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:21,859
some of the rituals from the great

1226
00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:23,810
magical Priory or at least in vacations

1227
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:25,780
because her mana bases worked quite well

1228
00:48:31,059 --> 00:48:28,730
and what's interesting about that and is

1229
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:31,069
well I think it's interesting is the

1230
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:34,030
persistence of dog-headed gods into

1231
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,710
early Europe and in fact into quite late

1232
00:48:41,530 --> 00:48:38,960
Europe so you have some of the more

1233
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:41,540
famous Saints even some Christopher was

1234
00:48:46,359 --> 00:48:44,060
dog headed and and right up until the

1235
00:48:48,579 --> 00:48:46,369
sort of end of the medieval age and in

1236
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:48,589
Northern Europe a bit later the outside

1237
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:52,250
of some towns would have dog headed sim

1238
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,510
Christopher's because every sees the

1239
00:48:57,099 --> 00:48:55,040
Guardian and travel isn't sever one so

1240
00:49:00,190 --> 00:48:57,109
even sort of 2000 years like well less

1241
00:49:02,410 --> 00:49:00,200
than twelve hundred years later this

1242
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:02,420
form is still with us right there on the

1243
00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:05,569
bow on the border again with Wayfarers

1244
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,060
so this kind of a is a bit of an

1245
00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:10,480
experiment but there's a way of sort of

1246
00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:13,880
deepening your pulling back into the

1247
00:49:18,010 --> 00:49:16,040
modern world some of that Western

1248
00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:18,020
magical current which we didn't really

1249
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:20,600
I was there the whole time so that one I

1250
00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:22,850
I think is quite good there's also one

1251
00:49:26,770 --> 00:49:24,320
of my favorite Saints and Nicholas of

1252
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:26,780
Tolentino Jota Latino and you'll find

1253
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:29,840
him in there as well but in terms of I'm

1254
00:49:34,090 --> 00:49:33,050
kind of a bit it can get risky looking

1255
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:34,100
for

1256
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:35,600
you're kind of barking up the wrong tree

1257
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:37,070
or going down the wrong track I

1258
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:38,420
shouldn't use the barking thing after

1259
00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:40,670
all that dog talk if you are trying to

1260
00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:44,080
find the spirit or God responsible for

1261
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:46,940
success or financial wealth amezo

1262
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,310
there's a long-running joke amongst

1263
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:51,200
grimoire magicians about one of the

1264
00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:53,630
spirits I'm called burn which everyone

1265
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:54,980
because it does say in bruges

1266
00:49:58,780 --> 00:49:56,450
description these are the things he's

1267
00:50:00,430 --> 00:49:58,790
good at so people by people by this

1268
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:00,440
grimoire that it's straight to burn and

1269
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:03,050
the life doesn't change and chaos

1270
00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:05,270
protocols hopefully deals with some of

1271
00:50:10,810 --> 00:50:08,150
the structure underneath that because

1272
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:10,820
I'm not sure if you're kind of spiritual

1273
00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:14,150
journey should align with you are

1274
00:50:18,070 --> 00:50:16,700
interested in in going on a backpacking

1275
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:18,080
holiday in Southeast Asia

1276
00:50:23,410 --> 00:50:21,650
these two things may overlap but it gets

1277
00:50:25,420 --> 00:50:23,420
messy when when I get combined there are

1278
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:25,430
spirits in there that people probably

1279
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:27,170
haven't considered for a success and

1280
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:29,390
optionality reasons and that's that's

1281
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:31,250
why you know it was why I wrote the book

1282
00:50:37,090 --> 00:50:34,910
but there's this a similar risk to using

1283
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:37,100
kind of science to explain religion to

1284
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:39,770
go to go looking for a quote-unquote God

1285
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:44,030
of wealth hmm man when we make up kind

1286
00:50:49,090 --> 00:50:46,490
of our own personal cosmology of

1287
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:49,100
entities that we resonate with obviously

1288
00:50:54,370 --> 00:50:51,890
we can do some reading and pick out gods

1289
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:54,380
and beans and spirits we like but you

1290
00:50:58,690 --> 00:50:56,570
say things in the book like tricksters

1291
00:51:01,960 --> 00:50:58,700
are typically found at a crossroad so

1292
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:01,970
look there first and that suggests a

1293
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:04,430
more kind of active approach to creating

1294
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:06,440
that role of X of entities to call on

1295
00:51:11,950 --> 00:51:09,290
talk to us about the process of creating

1296
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:11,960
our cosmology and you know forging

1297
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:13,250
relationships with these kind of

1298
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:15,830
entities well sure

1299
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:21,440
the trickster appears to be structural

1300
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:23,270
structural in the universe and and

1301
00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:26,770
structural in how we

1302
00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:30,140
construct a maps of the universe so

1303
00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:32,630
there's George Hansen's fantastic book

1304
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:35,030
the trickster in the paranormal you also

1305
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:37,970
find across literally every kind of

1306
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:40,910
cultural or spiritual system a trickster

1307
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,420
role so you find them in First Nations

1308
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:45,680
cultures you obviously have Loki in the

1309
00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:51,049
North you have set in Egypt now the

1310
00:51:57,849 --> 00:51:54,260
trickster for Western Europe for the

1311
00:52:00,520 --> 00:51:57,859
last 1500 years is the devil this is if

1312
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:00,530
we look at the role of the devil and I

1313
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:02,230
don't mean like the kind of frothing

1314
00:52:08,049 --> 00:52:05,930
bible-thumping fly over CIA funded

1315
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:08,059
millenia millennial Church nonsense that

1316
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:09,980
just is it's not even Christianity at

1317
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:12,440
this point if you look at European folk

1318
00:52:17,740 --> 00:52:15,290
culture the devil isn't in some kind of

1319
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:17,750
Jewish decree war with God for your soul

1320
00:52:22,809 --> 00:52:21,020
because you play D&D or masturbated the

1321
00:52:24,910 --> 00:52:22,819
devil kind of does annoying trickster

1322
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:24,920
thing so Bugs Bunny basically at some

1323
00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:27,920
point he gives cattle ringworm or

1324
00:52:34,180 --> 00:52:30,680
something odd now when you look at how

1325
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,190
this form moved into how Europeans saw

1326
00:52:39,609 --> 00:52:37,520
the world the devil got his power by

1327
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:39,619
being the oldest thing on earth the

1328
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:41,960
devil was created before the earth so

1329
00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:43,250
the fact that the devil is intimately

1330
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:45,430
involved with mankind if you are a

1331
00:52:50,770 --> 00:52:48,530
Spanish if you're an illiterate Spanish

1332
00:52:55,059 --> 00:52:50,780
grandmother five hundred years ago and

1333
00:52:59,140 --> 00:52:55,069
you need something earthly the person

1334
00:53:01,240 --> 00:52:59,150
who were the being you go to is the

1335
00:53:03,609 --> 00:53:01,250
devil the being you go to is the one

1336
00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:03,619
that has been here and was was set by

1337
00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:06,950
God to kind of be the boss of this realm

1338
00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:08,900
like that that is not a miss reading of

1339
00:53:14,289 --> 00:53:12,230
her priest on Sunday that's she's not

1340
00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:14,299
actually being anything other than

1341
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:16,390
Catholic by doing it being a bit risky

1342
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:20,000
but she's not being a devil worshiper we

1343
00:53:25,809 --> 00:53:23,089
find that this particularly instead of

1344
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:25,819
from the 20th century or onwards the

1345
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:27,530
devil in in hoodoo in the southern

1346
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:29,450
states particularly hybridized with some

1347
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:32,170
of the probably a bit of First Nations

1348
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:34,750
beings but certainly some of the

1349
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:36,450
gatekeeping beings

1350
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:38,670
that came over from West African

1351
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,130
cosmologies so there you know you have

1352
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:43,680
famous stories of jazz magicians and so

1353
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:45,690
on meeting the devil at the crossroads

1354
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:47,640
and suddenly being very good at guitar

1355
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:50,579
so robert johnson is one of these even

1356
00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:52,530
subsequently died a few years later now

1357
00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:54,750
we look at it and we kind of need to

1358
00:53:59,420 --> 00:53:56,910
unpick a lot of the races and flat out

1359
00:54:02,030 --> 00:53:59,430
in that Robert Johnson may have called

1360
00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:02,040
this thing the devil but he this was

1361
00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:05,099
practicing African magic right and we've

1362
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:06,750
had this whole thing that you know uh

1363
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:08,460
it's devil worship and whatever and I

1364
00:54:11,470 --> 00:54:09,690
mean you know scared of the devil you

1365
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,480
scare the skin Peller don't give me that

1366
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:14,400
which is pathetic because we have you

1367
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:16,530
know us white people have the same thing

1368
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,050
in our own folk magic in Jeremiah

1369
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:22,079
traditions we have we've sanitized the

1370
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:25,369
trickster out because we think

1371
00:54:29,420 --> 00:54:28,050
unpredictability equals failure this is

1372
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:29,430
the thing where we're kind of built for

1373
00:54:33,130 --> 00:54:30,930
that boomer life even though we don't

1374
00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:33,140
want it we still gravitate to it because

1375
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:36,320
humans don't like the anxiety of

1376
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:38,099
unpredictability even though that's

1377
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:40,680
where all success and all learning and

1378
00:54:46,819 --> 00:54:44,040
all growth comes from boom so if you do

1379
00:54:48,050 --> 00:54:46,829
not have a a trickster in your in your

1380
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:48,060
own personal because well gee I'm not

1381
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:49,170
saying everyone don't be a devil

1382
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,089
worshiper or anything I'm not even my

1383
00:54:56,809 --> 00:54:54,079
goodness if you don't make a space in

1384
00:54:59,599 --> 00:54:56,819
how you view the world for trickster

1385
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,609
functionality you kind of it you have a

1386
00:55:03,020 --> 00:55:00,960
lopsided view of the universe for a

1387
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:03,030
start but also you're potentially

1388
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:05,550
missing based on what we now know about

1389
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,650
probability and so on you're potentially

1390
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,319
missing where the upside comes from

1391
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:13,200
especially in in 2016 and moving forward

1392
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:14,700
the unpredictability

1393
00:55:19,099 --> 00:55:17,010
we have teenage billionaires in one side

1394
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,109
of the world and we have entire country

1395
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:20,640
and entire collapsed cities on the other

1396
00:55:26,809 --> 00:55:24,510
this is not a normal unpredictable world

1397
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:26,819
this is the world that has you know

1398
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:29,550
trickster running through it the

1399
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:32,040
magician then is it kind of falls to him

1400
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:36,270
or her to align with that in some way

1401
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,890
and so the book goes into tremendous

1402
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:40,319
detail about one or tremendous to each

1403
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:42,450
other mazes I'm boring it goes into some

1404
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:45,210
detail about the justification for

1405
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:47,160
having a trickster component and then it

1406
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:49,890
provides suggestions for

1407
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:51,960
that might work in a Western magical

1408
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:54,180
sense to do with essentially a sort of

1409
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:55,830
cross road engagement with the devil

1410
00:56:00,740 --> 00:55:58,260
most of it is largely drawing again on

1411
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:00,750
on greco-roman practice it's it's

1412
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:02,460
actually very similar to how you would

1413
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:07,170
attract Hecate is blessing or interest

1414
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,240
the sort of going to the crossroad and

1415
00:56:13,460 --> 00:56:11,220
leaving things and never looking back

1416
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:13,470
and and all that kind of stuff is is is

1417
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:17,160
Hecate in rather than devilish but that

1418
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:21,000
that form survives into shall we say low

1419
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:22,950
grimoire magic and so the book goes into

1420
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:26,370
into how you do that yeah I know we're

1421
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:27,720
running a little long here but like a

1422
00:56:31,070 --> 00:56:29,220
couple of the things I wanted to bring

1423
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:31,080
up something I wanted to ask you about

1424
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:33,810
in terms of assessing the landscape

1425
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:37,530
that's coming it comes from a comment

1426
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,630
you made on a rune soup podcast episode

1427
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,280
with Chris Knowles of course the rune

1428
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:42,960
soup podcast is becoming a personal

1429
00:56:46,550 --> 00:56:44,250
favorite everyone should check it out

1430
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:46,560
but in that episode you guys talk about

1431
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:48,660
the elite and the shadow state and the

1432
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:51,240
idea we've explored that physics and

1433
00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:53,160
science have been left with only half

1434
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:55,080
the puzzle because of the empowering

1435
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:56,970
implications of things like Tesla tech

1436
00:57:01,160 --> 00:56:58,530
and all that kind of stuff but there's

1437
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,170
very little left to explore at that at

1438
00:57:04,850 --> 00:57:02,880
this point without unlocking some of

1439
00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:04,860
those doors and you've identified some

1440
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:06,750
possible clues that they might be

1441
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:08,730
planning to finally let this genie out

1442
00:57:13,870 --> 00:57:10,740
of the box so to speak can you talk to

1443
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:13,880
us a little bit about that well yeah

1444
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:16,590
firstly because they said they're going

1445
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,660
to I mean we've had about four or five

1446
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:20,640
different countries and organizations

1447
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:23,190
announced fusion and cold fusion we also

1448
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:25,890
have NASA's hyperdrive which violates

1449
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:28,260
they are their own official laws of

1450
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,030
physics because it does and it's going

1451
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:32,640
to work and so we have these pieces the

1452
00:57:37,150 --> 00:57:34,140
other one that I think is interesting is

1453
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:37,160
the Rockefeller trust exiting

1454
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:39,930
hydrocarbon six months before we

1455
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:43,200
essentially got Wall Street well the

1456
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:45,030
State Department told Wall Street to

1457
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,850
crash oil and to crashed Putin mm-hmm

1458
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:49,440
and which didn't work he saw it coming

1459
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:52,290
years out it doesn't matter so but they

1460
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:53,610
wouldn't do that they wouldn't sort of

1461
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:56,040
leave these assets if it was going to

1462
00:57:59,420 --> 00:57:57,180
bounce back up and all these other

1463
00:58:01,500 --> 00:57:59,430
pieces are coming through like Elon

1464
00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:01,510
Musk's new battery

1465
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:03,700
and everyone's talking about fusion tech

1466
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:06,490
and the hyperdrive and we have people

1467
00:58:13,050 --> 00:58:10,000
like dr. pol Laviolette who are actual

1468
00:58:14,550 --> 00:58:13,060
you know proper science people who've

1469
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:14,560
done these experiments ago well this

1470
00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:16,630
works and and this I don't know what it

1471
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,600
is it's interesting to me that torsion

1472
00:58:24,690 --> 00:58:21,280
works and I've really enjoyed your

1473
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:24,700
electric universe episodes because there

1474
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,490
is something in that spectrum of again

1475
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,200
we come back to like the the data and

1476
00:58:34,099 --> 00:58:31,359
the interpretation thing so the Tesla

1477
00:58:36,510 --> 00:58:34,109
thing was interesting enough and we have

1478
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:36,520
you know directed energy weapons which

1479
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,300
appears to be a version of that so there

1480
00:58:46,050 --> 00:58:42,400
is a there is a kind of energy or ether

1481
00:58:47,609 --> 00:58:46,060
physics that is toroidal that I think

1482
00:58:49,050 --> 00:58:47,619
they very about for about 50 years and I

1483
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:49,060
think it's timely the toys are coming in

1484
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:51,880
now probably because we don't need it's

1485
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:53,740
tied up with I would say the the rise of

1486
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:56,170
pushing us into a digital currency the

1487
00:59:01,590 --> 00:58:59,290
US dollar has had a de facto oil backing

1488
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:01,600
since the end of the war basic wasn't

1489
00:59:06,330 --> 00:59:03,700
became of the gold standard right mm-hmm

1490
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:06,340
I think when we have this kind of global

1491
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:09,310
digital SDR we don't need the oil

1492
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:10,690
anymore I think that's built and I

1493
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:12,910
actually think given all the talk about

1494
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:15,940
all this sort of monstrous hysterical

1495
00:59:20,849 --> 00:59:18,880
climate change stuff like Islamophobia

1496
00:59:23,370 --> 00:59:20,859
causes climate change and make it really

1497
00:59:27,150 --> 00:59:23,380
dialing up the [\h__\h] [\h__\h] speak on

1498
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,160
this I think the SDR drawdowns will be

1499
00:59:33,150 --> 00:59:30,160
based on compliance with some sort of

1500
00:59:35,099 --> 00:59:33,160
carbon emissions and it's sort of the

1501
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:35,109
way it's sort of the way you can keep

1502
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:38,200
China and India down and and sort of

1503
00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:39,850
post-industrial countries like Europe

1504
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:43,840
and the u.s. up right because it's much

1505
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:47,830
easier for us to kind of run to carbon

1506
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:49,990
low so we get X amount of St oz and from

1507
00:59:53,310 --> 00:59:51,250
that weakening we can create this

1508
00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:53,320
currency because I like I sort of

1509
00:59:56,460 --> 00:59:55,270
briefly well I know Catherine or some

1510
00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:56,470
kids were saying before she thinks it's

1511
01:00:00,750 --> 00:59:58,930
food and now it isn't I think it's this

1512
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:00,760
I think if you if you look at these kind

1513
01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:04,090
of push through agreements and and and

1514
01:00:09,390 --> 01:00:07,270
stuff it I mean I'm sure carbon dioxide

1515
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:09,400
has some sort of effect but it's now

1516
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:13,090
like they're saying Islamophobia causes

1517
01:00:17,730 --> 01:00:14,770
chime climate change or climate change

1518
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:17,740
causes Islamophobia and like this is not

1519
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:20,950
science this is more event dialing up

1520
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:22,930
the more on speech right so I think

1521
01:00:26,910 --> 01:00:24,310
that's why I think it's ready for the

1522
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:26,920
global digital currency I think it's

1523
01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:29,170
almost ready for its close-up and it

1524
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:31,540
begins with the kind of SDR in the

1525
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:34,290
background so yeah we don't need the oil

1526
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:36,910
there there was some we've already used

1527
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:40,480
the cool weapons I suspect we're already

1528
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:43,510
using the cool propulsion engines of

1529
01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:46,660
planet and yeah from an oil perspective

1530
01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:49,000
that's not really coming back it doesn't

1531
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:50,680
really it doesn't need it to use anymore

1532
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:52,680
I'm also we're gonna go and hopefully

1533
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,230
collapse our friends and allies whole

1534
01:01:00,780 --> 01:00:58,000
let them collapse

1535
01:01:03,420 --> 01:01:00,790
hopefully very soon yeah I just thought

1536
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:03,430
that opened up a level of clarity for me

1537
01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:05,410
because as soon as they take all their

1538
01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:08,230
assets out of oil you know they could

1539
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:10,150
roll out something new for us and then

1540
01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:13,900
penalize the rest of the world for using

1541
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:15,670
the very energy sources that were the

1542
01:01:19,230 --> 01:01:17,710
elites bread and butter for decades kind

1543
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:19,240
of forcing them to move into the new

1544
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:22,630
stuff yeah climate change whether it

1545
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:23,530
exists or not

1546
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:27,369
is Imperial policy it's as simple as

1547
01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:27,609
that

1548
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:31,750
serious pollution problem let me let me

1549
01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:33,850
be clear and they are aware of it but

1550
01:01:38,490 --> 01:01:35,260
they don't neither this Russia they're

1551
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:38,500
not going anywhere near this climate

1552
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:41,350
change crap because it's it is there to

1553
01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:43,960
say we're so we built the greatest

1554
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:48,100
economies ever using this stuff and now

1555
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,310
you can't have any and you know we're

1556
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:53,200
gonna charge you to even use it yeah

1557
01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:55,330
this is this is how it gets played like

1558
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,790
this game isn't this is the world that's

1559
01:02:02,550 --> 01:02:00,160
not built for us we need to be aware of

1560
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:02,560
it not so we can change it it's it let's

1561
01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:04,570
not be so infantile as to think we can I

1562
01:02:09,570 --> 01:02:06,280
don't know run to the principal's office

1563
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:09,580
and get this fixed it's just not how it

1564
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,250
works the more we understand about how

1565
01:02:16,499 --> 01:02:14,319
this moves around it becomes

1566
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:16,509
and strategic intelligence for us to

1567
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:20,079
live out our best lives yeah amen and I

1568
01:02:23,370 --> 01:02:21,910
also wanted to ask you do you see

1569
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:23,380
something like the trans-pacific

1570
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:25,900
partnership relating to this in any way

1571
01:02:32,059 --> 01:02:29,169
yeah absolutely so it's the build-out of

1572
01:02:37,709 --> 01:02:32,069
their legal infrastructure that allows a

1573
01:02:40,499 --> 01:02:37,719
sort of paternal imperialism giving you

1574
01:02:43,319 --> 01:02:40,509
know rivers to Nestle and and and all

1575
01:02:44,969 --> 01:02:43,329
this kind of stuff basically that this

1576
01:02:47,429 --> 01:02:44,979
is this is there at the end of their

1577
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:47,439
endgame even if they manage to get it

1578
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:49,390
across the Western world it's obviously

1579
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:52,329
not gonna work in in Eurasia and I don't

1580
01:02:58,289 --> 01:02:55,209
think it's gonna work that well here it

1581
01:03:00,689 --> 01:02:58,299
is a fortunate potential like built into

1582
01:03:03,179 --> 01:03:00,699
the universe that the Tower of Babel

1583
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:03,189
never makes it to happen they will

1584
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:07,209
always try and and that's seemeth that's

1585
01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:09,369
almost Gnostic in a way but yes this is

1586
01:03:17,459 --> 01:03:13,799
absolutely the the climate change

1587
01:03:19,140 --> 01:03:17,469
hysteria and it is not like if you just

1588
01:03:22,169 --> 01:03:19,150
read them if you read the most recent

1589
01:03:24,959 --> 01:03:22,179
climate change articles it's seriously

1590
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:24,969
stopped by its causes Islamophobia or

1591
01:03:29,849 --> 01:03:28,150
Islamophobia is causing it and yet this

1592
01:03:33,179 --> 01:03:29,859
is building up a narrative that goes

1593
01:03:35,249 --> 01:03:33,189
along with the kind of supranational

1594
01:03:38,219 --> 01:03:35,259
treaties that are essentially harvesting

1595
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:38,229
the real assets that are now useful and

1596
01:03:45,179 --> 01:03:41,650
things like freshwater is useful yeah I

1597
01:03:47,989 --> 01:03:45,189
am oil-less so it's but the good news is

1598
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:47,999
there's as the good news in that

1599
01:03:54,089 --> 01:03:52,150
absolute [\h__\h] is to do this again

1600
01:03:56,339 --> 01:03:54,099
coming back to that opening up of new

1601
01:03:57,959 --> 01:03:56,349
platforms and new markets there will be

1602
01:04:01,199 --> 01:03:57,969
opportunities for people who can see

1603
01:04:03,179 --> 01:04:01,209
this happening yeah see why they get out

1604
01:04:05,729 --> 01:04:03,189
in front of it or will get to the side

1605
01:04:07,319 --> 01:04:05,739
of it if you know that that's going to

1606
01:04:09,630 --> 01:04:07,329
be the case I don't mean go and invest

1607
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:09,640
in Halliburton and that kind of stuff

1608
01:04:12,359 --> 01:04:11,049
because I think people I think that eats

1609
01:04:14,609 --> 01:04:12,369
away at your soul a bit but they're

1610
01:04:15,539 --> 01:04:14,619
these investments are going to be made

1611
01:04:18,659 --> 01:04:15,549
and they're going to be made with your

1612
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:18,669
money because it's tax money so get out

1613
01:04:22,349 --> 01:04:19,839
in front of it and get some of it back

1614
01:04:24,329 --> 01:04:22,359
yeah and I'm kind of living proof of

1615
01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:24,339
that because I don't think gamestop if I

1616
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:25,630
was going to be a store manager there

1617
01:04:30,450 --> 01:04:27,730
forever if I was going to be scared

1618
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:30,460
to the traditional path I don't think

1619
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:32,770
game stops gonna be there in five six

1620
01:04:37,710 --> 01:04:34,630
seven years but that's a whole nother

1621
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:37,720
thing to throw one more log on that fire

1622
01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:39,450
you off the air you've told me about

1623
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:43,270
some corporation that doesn't have a

1624
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:44,800
website that the Rockefellers are

1625
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:46,930
invested in that it's uh I think they're

1626
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:49,619
a cold fusion company they're you know

1627
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:52,000
when we say alternative energy we

1628
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:53,760
usually mean sort of you know

1629
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:56,710
permaculture wind farms it's code try

1630
01:05:01,380 --> 01:04:59,440
alpha doesn't have a website it's based

1631
01:05:03,150 --> 01:05:01,390
in California interesting name

1632
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:03,160
well this is this is why I mention it

1633
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:04,210
the Pharaoh it's good to try the

1634
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:05,530
beginning of and the Alpha is

1635
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:07,510
interesting it's oh it's the you know

1636
01:05:11,849 --> 01:05:09,609
new beginning for this it doesn't have a

1637
01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:11,859
website has some of the most famous sort

1638
01:05:16,170 --> 01:05:14,080
of you know energy physicists or

1639
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:16,180
theoretical ones attached to it has

1640
01:05:21,420 --> 01:05:18,970
Rockefeller trust funding entirely

1641
01:05:23,550 --> 01:05:21,430
opaque no idea what they're doing and

1642
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:23,560
this is happening at the same time is

1643
01:05:27,630 --> 01:05:25,000
where we're hearing the Germans and the

1644
01:05:30,090 --> 01:05:27,640
Japanese and MIT and everyone saying

1645
01:05:32,820 --> 01:05:30,100
where we've got cold fusion or were a

1646
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:32,830
little bit away from it and and it's

1647
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:34,570
that classic ritual thing they do of

1648
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:36,550
course it's called try alpha yeah

1649
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:39,430
like try - alpha this is they're you

1650
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:41,530
know waving their little waving their

1651
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:45,730
dick exactly yeah so I

1652
01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:47,650
that's all I have for that but the idea

1653
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:49,990
that this stuff can't move ER in the

1654
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:53,440
dark is moronic it can and and that's an

1655
01:05:58,050 --> 01:05:55,330
example you'll find a Wikipedia page I

1656
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,060
believe but how many of them are there

1657
01:06:03,390 --> 01:06:00,400
that don't have Wikipedia pages mm-hmm

1658
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:03,400
yeah I find that just so fast and why we

1659
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:05,530
could touch on it but that really does

1660
01:06:08,820 --> 01:06:07,210
about do it for us I know we're close to

1661
01:06:10,410 --> 01:06:08,830
the finish line but I do love this book

1662
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:10,420
it validates some of the choices I've

1663
01:06:14,670 --> 01:06:12,310
made the past 10 years and it helps me

1664
01:06:17,099 --> 01:06:14,680
with where to go from here because the

1665
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:17,109
high optionality life that I've been

1666
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:19,510
lucky to achieve with THC sort of scares

1667
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:21,190
me back into traditional patterns

1668
01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:22,570
because it's hard to lose what you don't

1669
01:06:26,790 --> 01:06:25,060
have but when you do have something risk

1670
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,800
starts to seem scary or maybe it's been

1671
01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:28,240
too long since I did mushrooms or

1672
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:30,190
something you know well I also we don't

1673
01:06:36,030 --> 01:06:34,240
know so your focus was on you know

1674
01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:36,040
making this a success and once you're

1675
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:38,020
there so yeah that was the dream right

1676
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:39,970
like I hope this to be I want to make

1677
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:41,170
this a success say you

1678
01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:43,839
actually necessarily dream what the next

1679
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:45,430
step was you may have daydreamed in that

1680
01:06:51,030 --> 01:06:48,250
kind of absurd like I'm on a boat sense

1681
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:51,040
but no one ever thinks about what

1682
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:53,170
happens because it will happen if people

1683
01:06:58,349 --> 01:06:55,569
kind of sort of absorbs some of the

1684
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,359
ideas in the book so you haven't thought

1685
01:07:03,089 --> 01:07:00,160
about what the Greg version of the next

1686
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,099
step is so you have fallen into like I

1687
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:06,160
said get a house now and I guess yeah do

1688
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:07,839
that and it's it's just the programming

1689
01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:09,190
so say think about what you actually

1690
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:13,270
want mmm well said man and you know of

1691
01:07:16,770 --> 01:07:15,040
course I gotta let you go sometime my

1692
01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:16,780
ancestral offerings aren't gonna change

1693
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:19,420
out themselves but you are the man and

1694
01:07:23,460 --> 01:07:21,400
you know part of my job is recommending

1695
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,470
books but this goes beyond that I would

1696
01:07:27,390 --> 01:07:25,119
say that if you're feeling stuck or

1697
01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:27,400
trapped or looking for the guidance to

1698
01:07:31,530 --> 01:07:29,950
change it up I have found no better

1699
01:07:33,059 --> 01:07:31,540
guide man anything else you want to

1700
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:33,069
mention before we go obviously Twitter

1701
01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:35,710
is your main hang at Gordon underscore

1702
01:07:39,930 --> 01:07:38,260
white and rune soup calm is your blog is

1703
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:39,940
there anything else to say yeah those

1704
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,170
are the places there's a written

1705
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:43,359
Facebook page as well which if people

1706
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:45,220
didn't really do the Twitter thing they

1707
01:07:49,170 --> 01:07:47,710
can find me then boom dude all right

1708
01:07:50,970 --> 01:07:49,180
I'm sad that it's over but this was

1709
01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:50,980
great until next time take care of

1710
01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:52,780
yourself all right my man you as well

1711
01:07:56,490 --> 01:07:55,540
cool all right all right people how'd

1712
01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:56,500
you like that

1713
01:08:01,020 --> 01:07:58,450
I loved it and Gordon's always good to

1714
01:08:04,349 --> 01:08:01,030
have but the chaos protocols is such

1715
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,359
such a great book if you're lacking for

1716
01:08:07,890 --> 01:08:06,160
a road map in these troubled times it's

1717
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:07,900
definitely the book to get it's funny

1718
01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:10,720
and an informative read you can't go

1719
01:08:16,499 --> 01:08:14,020
wrong and I guess today I did pat myself

1720
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:16,509
on the back a little too much and I am

1721
01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:19,210
sorry if that got annoying but it's just

1722
01:08:23,610 --> 01:08:21,190
a good feeling to have a book like this

1723
01:08:25,740 --> 01:08:23,620
back up some of my wild decision-making

1724
01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:25,750
and it's a relief to now have an easy

1725
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:27,940
thing to hand someone when they don't

1726
01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:29,980
understand what I do for a living or why

1727
01:08:33,930 --> 01:08:31,960
it's a smart idea it's the next

1728
01:08:35,939 --> 01:08:33,940
Christmas present for half my extended

1729
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,949
family let's just make it easy guys and

1730
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:38,080
Gordon lays out some of the magic that

1731
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:40,330
he's had good results with and who

1732
01:08:43,890 --> 01:08:41,890
couldn't use that reference on their

1733
01:08:46,919 --> 01:08:43,900
shelf you know but when you think of

1734
01:08:49,620 --> 01:08:46,929
magic as less mysterious and more of a

1735
01:08:51,090 --> 01:08:49,630
flowery word for the mechanisms in which

1736
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:51,100
consciousness interacts with the

1737
01:08:54,899 --> 01:08:54,130
material world people who find it evil

1738
01:08:56,820 --> 01:08:54,909
or wrong

1739
01:08:59,579 --> 01:08:56,830
start to sound pretty goofy because it

1740
01:09:02,010 --> 01:08:59,589
says natural as hearing or speech in a

1741
01:09:04,530 --> 01:09:02,020
way it's just a tool of interaction with

1742
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:04,540
the world and what's beyond it and in

1743
01:09:09,090 --> 01:09:06,130
times like these it would be who of

1744
01:09:11,579 --> 01:09:09,100
anyone to explore and fine-tune all the

1745
01:09:13,229 --> 01:09:11,589
tools they have and the Plus show is

1746
01:09:15,059 --> 01:09:13,239
largely about that and this is a great

1747
01:09:17,220 --> 01:09:15,069
fluff show to have we got deeper into

1748
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:17,230
the details of Gordon's magical

1749
01:09:21,419 --> 01:09:19,359
recommendations how to find the right

1750
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:21,429
crossroads at which to forge your

1751
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:23,199
relationship with the trickster of your

1752
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,409
choice and a lot of other deep level

1753
01:09:30,570 --> 01:09:28,480
stuff in fact when we talked about the

1754
01:09:32,579 --> 01:09:30,580
trans-pacific partnership and some of

1755
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:32,589
the major events going on geopolitically

1756
01:09:36,809 --> 01:09:34,630
as indicators that the elite are as

1757
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:36,819
Gordon called it at the end of their

1758
01:09:41,070 --> 01:09:39,310
endgame that really should have been in

1759
01:09:42,329 --> 01:09:41,080
the Plus show but I couldn't do that I

1760
01:09:43,890 --> 01:09:42,339
really wanted to get it out there

1761
01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:43,900
because I just think he's got a better

1762
01:09:49,289 --> 01:09:46,540
approach to analyzing the PlayBook than

1763
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:49,299
just saying Oh disclosure is coming out

1764
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,719
of guessing or blind optimism he's

1765
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:54,880
looking at something like the TPP and

1766
01:09:59,700 --> 01:09:57,010
the carbon tax schemes and giving you

1767
01:10:01,919 --> 01:09:59,710
reasons why this is happening and where

1768
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:01,929
it may be going don't you wish more

1769
01:10:06,570 --> 01:10:03,790
guests and social commentators were just

1770
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:06,580
half as thoughtful but being bold and

1771
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:08,050
become an invincible another good

1772
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:10,840
section that's sometimes scary right of

1773
01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:12,610
passage that really should be more

1774
01:10:17,070 --> 01:10:14,590
celebrated than some arbitrary bar

1775
01:10:19,379 --> 01:10:17,080
mitzvah or confirmation or baptism I

1776
01:10:21,570 --> 01:10:19,389
mean these are all empty hollowed out

1777
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:21,580
versions of an experience that I do

1778
01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:25,090
think we all need to have and very few

1779
01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:26,860
are actually out there recommending and

1780
01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:29,830
I never thought of my early psychedelic

1781
01:10:34,379 --> 01:10:32,260
breakthroughs as the acclamation of

1782
01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:34,389
armor on the path to invincibility but

1783
01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:37,420
really they were and I'm lucky also to

1784
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:39,880
have an encouraging partner my special

1785
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:43,150
lady Theresa has talked me into several

1786
01:10:46,590 --> 01:10:45,670
things I initially said no to for one

1787
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:46,600
reason or another

1788
01:10:51,419 --> 01:10:49,090
like the Don peyote bus tour I was gonna

1789
01:10:54,540 --> 01:10:51,429
pass until she grilled me on what a

1790
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:54,550
random opportunity it was and of course

1791
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:56,770
it was great but I just tend to say no

1792
01:11:00,720 --> 01:10:58,690
I'm alright a little more than I

1793
01:11:02,850 --> 01:11:00,730
probably should and how is the Magic's

1794
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:02,860
supposed to work with that attitude you

1795
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:05,050
wish an enchant for interesting

1796
01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:06,489
opportunities and when they come up you

1797
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:08,620
gotta say yes I mean have you seen

1798
01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:11,410
yes man with Jim Carrey great great

1799
01:11:15,330 --> 01:11:13,180
movie that really drives that point home

1800
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:15,340
but do what you can to say yes to your

1801
01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:16,900
own opportunities the hard part is

1802
01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:18,580
having them come your way all you got to

1803
01:11:23,820 --> 01:11:21,940
do is go with it and also encourage

1804
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:23,830
others you care about to dive into their

1805
01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:26,680
opportunities there is no glory in the

1806
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:30,520
cubicle people none but even I fail to

1807
01:11:34,260 --> 01:11:32,260
take my own advice sometimes there's

1808
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:34,270
this festival here in California called

1809
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:36,430
lightning in a bottle it's a pretty big

1810
01:11:41,550 --> 01:11:39,250
thing and shockingly they asked me to

1811
01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:41,560
speak and of course I said no because

1812
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:43,390
I'd rather sit in my bunker and talk

1813
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:45,790
into the microphone where it's safe but

1814
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:47,410
I could have done that and I looked at

1815
01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:49,330
the roster and my main man Marty Leeds

1816
01:11:54,510 --> 01:11:51,700
he's gonna be there probably would have

1817
01:11:57,300 --> 01:11:54,520
been fun but I was too afraid of bombing

1818
01:11:59,340 --> 01:11:57,310
so nobody's perfect it is a process and

1819
01:12:01,080 --> 01:11:59,350
speaking of Marty he just released a

1820
01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:01,090
movie that sort of announced his

1821
01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:02,980
acceptance of the Flat Earth model can

1822
01:12:06,750 --> 01:12:05,260
you believe that I'm gonna have to get

1823
01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:06,760
him on to talk about that I'm pretty

1824
01:12:11,490 --> 01:12:08,830
surprised but I love the guy so we'll

1825
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:11,500
have to see what's up I told you I

1826
01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:12,820
thought it pointed out some glaring

1827
01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:14,140
inconsistencies with what we've been

1828
01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:18,430
told but anyway great stuff Gordon white

1829
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:20,710
really is the man do check out his rune

1830
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,900
soup podcasts do pick up the book

1831
01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:25,360
forging your own path in an unfamiliar

1832
01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:27,820
economic landscape is scary no doubt

1833
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,580
mine as well have a guidebook to

1834
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:33,040
reference but what more can I say that

1835
01:12:37,410 --> 01:12:35,110
is it for today I've done what I can

1836
01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:37,420
your move elite architects of the

1837
01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:39,550
economic endgame and sorcerer's of the

1838
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:43,000
new system your [\h__\h] move

1839
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:47,110
Cawood it's your show now so what's it

1840
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:51,490
gonna be people will tune in to hear

1841
01:13:00,050 --> 01:12:55,930
another new conspiracy almost too much

1842
01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:00,060
oh we thought this was low it's bad

1843
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:03,790
getting worse so we're all the good

1844
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:09,570
they're on the higher side chats cuz

1845
01:13:17,870 --> 01:13:14,260
it's everybody's favorite show where all

1846
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:20,700
he got Jamar's caught in white and then

1847
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:27,250
this crowd they talk this and that on

1848
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:30,010
the high side chat testing one two now

1849
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:32,770
what you gonna do bad news misuse got

1850
01:13:39,209 --> 01:13:35,290
too much to lose give me some truth now

1851
01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:39,219
hoop side we on whatever you say turn on

1852
01:13:47,010 --> 01:13:42,460
the boob tube I'm in mood to obey so

1853
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:47,020
lead me astray by the way now we're all

1854
01:13:57,900 --> 01:13:52,449
the good people go they lock them up it

1855
01:14:03,930 --> 01:13:57,910
seems were protesting Monsanto we're all

1856
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:03,940
the good people go there on the THC my

1857
01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:15,720
sitting down new episode to hear wanna

1858
01:14:21,140 --> 01:14:19,030
light a bowl but I fear the police can

1859
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:21,150
you hear me

1860
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:24,170
and interrupt me from this friendly

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conversation been waiting all week for

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THC with the Carwood there's no

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hesitation exposing the truth getting to

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the elite scams schemes conspiracies and

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treason it's an excellent show what I

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need to know is where all the good

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people go then only getting hate and

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fear from all the other hos thread all

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the good people go guess that makes huge

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seem my favorite show on the high side

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chat testing 1 2 now what you're gonna

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do

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bad news misuse come give me some truth

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you got too much to lose recital with on

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today anyway okay whatever you say wrong

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it doesn't open in the mood to obey

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Shinto station desensitizing the nation

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hey guys thanks for listening to the

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first hour of the higher side chats

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podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you

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don't know there is a second hour to all

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the episodes we do around here generally

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we're able to get a lot deeper into the

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topics and ideas that a guest is about

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so if you enjoyed what you've heard from

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THC for free consider signing up at the

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higher side chats plus com to get the

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second hour of the 5 shows I put

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together each month I never really

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wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast

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but I really hate the idea of spending

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airtime promoting some product that's

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completely unrelated and telling you the

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best way to support the show is to buy

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an audio book or new underwear by mail

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or something crazy like that so instead

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if you like the show double your time

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with it for five bucks a month and let's

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cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the

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price of a movie ticket and you get at

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least an extra five hours of show a

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month collectively it keeps us stable

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and it frees me from wasting your time

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with anything but the show you came to

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listen to it's really the only way for

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an independent one-man show to make it

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and I do what I can so that it's worth

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your while since we started this I've

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always tried to use the subscriptions to

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improve the podcast and make signups

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more advantageous it started with just a

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second hour for the main show but now

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we've got a nice forum going where

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people can get deeper in conversation

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about the episodes with other listeners

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submit a candidate in the guest request

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thread or share their own personal

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projects to get out of the soul-crushing

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nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on

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the entrepreneurs thread the forum in

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the Plus comments are always the first

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places I try to go for listener

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engagement but it does get harder as the

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show gets more popular because of that

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there's also a direct messaging feature

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that you can use to reach me through the

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plus site also well beyond the forum if

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you like any of the music I've used for

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THC most of it I've hired artists to

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make and I provided all its free

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downloads to Plus members too so if you

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like a particular song you've heard

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close the show out recently come get the

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mp3 I should also mention that if you

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don't like the idea of paying $5

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recurring every month I get that you can

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buy three months six months or a year

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upfront and just be done with it I have

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plenty of listeners who send checks and

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money orders to the PIO box too I try to

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make it as easy for people as I can and

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you can

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read more about it on the signup page

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also be sure to check out the FAQ help

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page on the plus site if you have any

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questions or concerns about how to

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listen to a password-protected show on

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your devices I've highlighted a lot of

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great solutions and one of those would

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be the iPhone app that just recently hit

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the Apple App Store a super kind and

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talented listener made it for us and you

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can use it to stream or download either

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the free or the plus show if you're on

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Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

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addict and subscribe to the feed

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manually that way I also try to throw an

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occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

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I've got a few other weird ideas I might

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get to try out soon but I give you all I

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can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

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least give it a shot if you've listened

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to a few free shows and you find them

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unique or valuable I know there's a lot

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of podcasts out there and I'm just one

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of them but if you have any questions

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concerns or comments about any of this

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please get in touch with us at the

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higher side chats team at gmail.com I

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also wanted to plug the higher side

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newsletter I'm going to be putting out

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totally free for anyone who wants to

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sign up at the main Internet web site

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for the show the higher side chats com

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you can also get on that email list

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through the higher side chats Facebook

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page there's a button there as well but

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the reason I'm doing this is because I

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get tons and tons of emails after a show

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goes up asking me about how I feel about

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a particular guest or topic and the

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wrap-up isn't always the best place to

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do that especially if I have anything

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negative to say sometimes the dust needs

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to settle sometimes I need to hear

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feedback from you guys first there are a

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lot of factors but I usually have

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something to communicate to you and I

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just don't get to do it so on the 1st of

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the month

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I plan to send out a little newsletter

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with my thoughts about the 5 shows the

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previous month and talk to you about

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anything else that's on my mind or

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that's going on and what's probably most

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enticing is that I'm gonna give you some

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insight into at least one guest I have

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coming up in the month which people have

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been begging for some posted schedule

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for a long time I personally think I'd

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like the surprise but sign up for the

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higher side newsletter it's free it

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comes out on the 1st of the month and I

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won't waste your time with any other

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emails and that's it I appreciate you

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listening I try to give alternative

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ideas and guests a fair shake on a high

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quality podcast expose some deep level

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conspiracies without the yelling

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and I hope to offer some inspiration

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that even though the system relentlessly

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suggests you should follow their

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blueprint to mediocrity you can do your

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own thing and live a much happier life

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despite all the negativity in the world